Re: Paranoic Idea to stop spammers

From: Liviu Daia (no email)
Date: Sun Jun 02 2002 - 04:01:00 EDT


On 2 June 2002, Craig Sanders <> wrote:
> On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 02:53:22PM -0400, Wietse Venema wrote:
> > It's an idea. I haven't finished the design. All (client+sender)
> > tuples would be 4xx blacklisted by default, without using up any
> > storage. New verification requests would be queued, sorted and
> > uniqed so that the mechanism can't be DOSed too easily.
>
> this sounds like a really useful anti-spam feature, and i'd like to
> see the idea implemented in postfix one day.
>
> one thing occurs to me immediately, though - it would cause long
> delays on the receipt of messages from all VERP-enabled mailing lists,
> because every VERPed message has a unique sender address.
>
> perhaps there would need to be some programmable or configurable way
> of defining VERP patterns...so that we could tell postfix e.g. that
> yahoo groups VERPed addresses look like X and some other list looks
> like Y and so on.
[...]
> in fact, it would possibly be simpler to just interpret all addresses
> that matched the following pattern as being one sender:
>
> /sentto-.*@returns.groups.yahoo.com/

     Pflogsumm has an option to rewrite VERP addresses like this:

        $addr =~ s/-(return|\d+)-\d+-/-$1-ID-/o;

or like this:

        $addr =~ s/-(\d+-)?[^=-]+=[^\@]+\@/\@/o;

> that would leave a loophole open for spammers to exploit, though.

    Using a valid address from Yahoo would be a more straightforward
exploit path.

    Regards,

    Liviu Daia

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