Re: Router Choice

From: Raymond Macharia (no email)
Date: Mon Nov 17 2008 - 13:20:24 EST

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    Hello,I appreciate all your feedback. I have also recieved more research
    material from independent research institutes that give the products thumbs

    Best regards


    On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Paul Wall <> wrote:

    > Whoa, excessive use of "!"...this isn't IOS ICMP output.
    > For those of you who want to have a chuckle, grep the word "exit" on
    > any of these fine 7750/7450 router configurations. Seeing a router
    > configuration that contains 10,000+ instances of the word "exit" makes
    > me recall the fine book FINAL EXIT. Seems like a poor mans version of
    > nesting with { }'s in JUNOS.
    > Some of my gripes on the Timetra (whens the last time Alcatel built
    > something themselves instead of acquire it?) box are that it really is
    > catered to installs where Alcatel is running the design side of the
    > network as well. The CLI is somewhat non-intuitive for IOS, IOS-XR or
    > JUNOS operations staff. Here are some examples:
    > Here in 2008, why are people buying boxes that do not support
    > candidate configuration or commit/rollback? The only thing you can
    > "commit" on the box is routing policy changes. I thought this was a
    > service provider box?
    > For years (this might not be the case anymore), any time you attempted
    > to use the short-form of the "show" command by typing "sh", you
    > received a syntax error. This is because there were two commands that
    > began with sh: show and shell. The problem is that the shell command
    > prompts you for a password that only Alcatel knows (and won't share
    > with any customers that I'm aware of). So, if your own customers cant
    > run the command, why give users a headache?
    > Its a router, why do I have to do "show router route" to see a routing
    > table entry? For years, you also had to suffix the command "exact" on
    > the end of every command as well.
    > Pricing wise...they're way above other boxes that you can find
    > elsewhere that can do the jobs you need. Both the Cisco 7600 and the
    > Juniper MX line both have a way better CLI and employ a knowledgeable
    > staff of seasoned former service provider engineers. Alcatel seems to
    > be comprised of failed router startup guys from Caspian or Chiaro.
    > Feature wise, they're behind the curve when it comes to competing with
    > Cisco and Juniper. I think this is also shown in how they name their
    > software releases as "Feature Groups" (telco-speak, anyone?).
    > The main thing I want to speak to is that this box is not made for
    > your clueful IP operator. Alcatel is very insistent that the customer
    > use their UNIX/Windows NMS (I believe they call the SAM) to interface
    > with the routers. Sorry but...that might fly in telcoland where
    > executives ooh and ahh over point-and-click network management, but I
    > think most operators are going to find it a tad bit useless.
    > Sure, they do have NSR, but so did Avici. Does NSR make up for the
    > lack of features, high pricing and being stuck at 20Gbps per slot?
    > Yes, they do have 40Gbps per slot on the way, but who doesn't support
    > 40Gbps per slot today?
    > Why bother stepping back a few years in development when if you want a
    > solid P core box, Foundry MLX/XMR, Juniper MX, Cisco 7600s and CRS-1's
    > are ready now and at prices that really aren't all that bad. Oh yeah,
    > you wont scratch the hell out of your finger nails when removing the
    > compact flash on those boxes.
    > Drive slow, pinging 10(!!!!).
    > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:31 AM, devang patel <> wrote:
    > > I guess they have good lab in Plano, TX also!!!I worked on the same
    > routers
    > > for IPTV deployment and really they are best!!!
    > >
    > >
    > > regards
    > > Devang Patel
    > >
    > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Dan Snyder <> wrote:
    > >
    > >> I think that the 7750SR routers are great and you won't be let down. We
    > >> used to have an all Cisco network and I was skeptical at first but they
    > have
    > >> been great.
    > >>
    > >> As for nss and nsr when we tested this by failing a cpm we saw less than
    > 50
    > >> ms of traffic loss. I would see if you could go to either California or
    > >> Canada to one of ALUs labs and have it demonstrated for you.
    > >>
    > >> hth,
    > >> Dan
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Sent from my iPhone
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:40 AM, "Raymond Macharia" <>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> Hello fellow nanogers,
    > >>> I am a long time user of Cisco gear and currently evaluating an
    > >>> alternative
    > >>> for my network expansion. currently the one that looks like it will be
    > >>> able
    > >>> to do the job iare Alcatel-Lucent 7710/7750 service routers.
    > >>> I am looking for real life experience of those who have used it and
    > what I
    > >>> may need to watch out for (if anything) I have seen in some of their
    > >>> documentation features like Non-stop Services (NSS) and Non-stop
    > Routing
    > >>> (NSR). are these features real world deployable.
    > >>> oh, just to add I want to use the routers as P routers in my IP/MPLS
    > core
    > >>>
    > >>> Regards
    > >>> --
    > >>> Raymond Macharia
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >

    Raymond Macharia

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