FW: Sprint v. Cogent, some clarity & facts

From: Tomas L. Byrnes (no email)
Date: Tue Nov 04 2008 - 19:09:43 EST

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Tomas L. Byrnes
    Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:08 PM
    To: 'Niels Bakker'
    Subject: RE: Sprint v. Cogent, some clarity & facts

    There was nothing in my post advocating free transit or peering. I
    merely pointed out that peering only without downstream propagation was
    a technical error, based on the proper implementation of the protocols
    as designed.

    All the discussion of practicality and politics are implementation
    failures: the first because of crappy routers, the second because of the
    established player issue you called out.

    We've all had enough of crappy networks causing unreachability.

    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: Niels Bakker [mailto:niels=]
    >Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:30 AM
    >To:
    >Subject: Re: Sprint v. Cogent, some clarity & facts
    >
    >* (Tomas L. Byrnes) [Tue 04 Nov 2008, 17:51 CET]:
    >>The concept of "Transit Free" is a political failure, not a technical
    >>one.
    >
    >Yeah, networks should be free! And Cogent, if they don't get access to
    >Sprint directly, should just set a default route over some public IX
    >where Sprint is also present at to reach their network!! And then hack
    >their routers to do likewise.
    >
    >
    >>The protocols are designed, and the original concept behind the
    >Internet
    >>is, to propagate all reachability via all paths. IE to use Transit if
    >>peering fails.
    >
    >Yeah, the original concept of the internet. Like classful IP routing.
    >
    >
    >>Not doing so is a policy decision that breaks the redundancy in the
    >>original design.
    >
    >Because the original design totally had in mind established players
    >locking out cheaper newcomers and explicitly specified a maximum band
    >where prices for transit had to exist inside of.
    >
    >Please stop it. We've had enough.
    >
    >
    > -- Niels.
    >
    >--
    >"We humans get marks for consistency. We always opt for
    > civilization after exhausting the alternatives."
    > -- Carl Guderian
    >


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