From: Anders Lindbäck (no email)
Date: Sun Nov 02 2008 - 10:52:33 EST
Nice interpretation of my statement..
A reasonable effort and a contractual guarantee are two different
things, a reasonable effort could be defined as economicly feasable
My point was that in Cogents case this is really a force majeure
situation and in Sprints case unless you have a contract that defines
an SLA with delivery to "the entire Internet" or something similar
you do not really have case to break your contract or sue due to the
de-peering as a breach of contract from Sprints side..
On 2 nov 2008, at 16.39, Joe Greco wrote:
>> Well, selling you an "unlimited" account and them terminating that
>> contract if you use "to much" is one thing, that is a stated lack of
>> a limit in your contract.
>> There is no delivery guarantee of your IP packets in your contract,
>> adding one would be a rather bad idea since there is no delivery
>> guarantee in IP that your service is based on and that would open a
>> carrier to liabilities if someone was using a firewall for instance
>> since that is effectivly limiting your delivery to that machine.
>> What you are buying is access to Sprints network, and transit
>> effectivly on Sprints view of the Internet, and that is what they
>> deliver really..
> Based on that logic, it sounds like a fine time for me to get into the
> wireless market. I can save a ton of money by getting a 56k dialup
> to $9.95/mo-company as an upstream connection, and just saying that I
> don't guarantee delivery of packets, and if my upstream service gets
> terminated for some reason, hey, my view of the Internet is pretty
> Come on. Really, an ISP has to make a reasonable effort to be able to
> reach other arbitrary destinations on the Internet. That they
> might not
> be able to promise access to obscure networks in the farthest portions
> of China on the end of two tin cans and a string is obvious. But when
> they can't get traffic across the street because they're actively
> buggering routes from an AS, well, that's different.
> ... JG
> Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://
> "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance
> [and] then I
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> With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too
> many apples.