From: Murtaza (no email)
Date: Sun Sep 14 2008 - 20:42:32 EDT
But, it still is impossible in many asses, as ISPs in many countries are
still not cooperating with each other.
But, it still is impossible in many cases,
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Murtaza <>wrote:
> Nothing if the reason isn't to avoid the US to prevent interception. ie.
> my point was the people are doing this for engineering reasons not
> political ones as was implied by that article.
> I don't see it sinister even if someone wants to avoid US due to
> interception. But, yes I agree people are doing for engineering reasons.
> But, it still is impossible in many asses, as ISPs in many countries are
> still not cooperating with each other.
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Matthew Moyle-Croft <
> > wrote:
>> Pardon my ignorance here, but isn't this more of a case of traffic
>>> growing outside of the USA which means that traffic within the USA
>>> represents a smaller share of the total internet traffic ?
>> I suspect so - especially with CDN/Content providers pushing traffic out
>> to the edge it means that we (the rest of the world) don't pay so much to
>> haul it back from Northern America! (Thanks to those who are doing it -
>> you know who you are and we love you for it!).
>> Japan has 80% of it's internet traffic as domestic, as do a lot of Asian
>> countries. As China, Korea and others grow their domestic volumes the %age
>> coming from the USA is a lot less.
>>> Did western europe ever really have a primary route via the USA to reach
>>> asia ? (I realise that during the cable cuts in middle east last year,
>>> traffic might have been rerouted via USA but this would be a temporary
>> Most Asian providers (at least Northern Asia) use USA, Atlantic path to
>> get to Europe. The capacity going Westt isn't that high in comparision, so
>> the extra latency hit is well offset by the much reduced cost. My point in
>> my first post is that this is changing rapidly as people (eg Reliance/Flag)
>> are building more capacity West to Europe plus the Trans-Russian terrestrial
>> (eg. TEA) are going for fast (and expensive from my understanding).
>> For instance, out of Australia we have a single, old cable going West out
>> of Perth to Singapore (SEA-ME-WE3) which allows only low speed circuits, but
>> we've got almost 4 (as of next year) cables going North and East out of
>> Sydney. So most Europe traffic to/from Australia is via the USA.
>> Matthew Moyle-Croft - Internode/Agile - Networks
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