RE: Flow Based Routing/Switching (Was: "Does TCP Need an Overhaul?" (internetevolution, via slashdot))

From: Lincoln Dale (no email)
Date: Sat Apr 05 2008 - 06:40:52 EDT

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    > > i wouldn't want to get in an argument with somebody who was smart and savvy
    > > enough to invent packet switching during the year i entered kindergarden,
    > > but, somebody told me once that keeping information on every flow was *not*
    > > "inexpensive." should somebody tell dr. roberts?
    >
    > Isn't the reason that "NetFlow" (or v10 which is the the IETF/Cisco
    > named IPFIX) exists the side-effect of having routers doing "flow based
    > routing" aka "keeping an entry per IP flow, thus using that entry for
    > every next packet to quickly select the outgoing interface instead of
    > having to go through all the prefixes" ?

    flow-cache based forwarding can work perfectly fine provided:
     - your flow table didn't overflow
     - you didn't need to invalidate large amounts of your table at once (e.g.
    next-hop change)

    this was the primary reason why Cisco went from 'fast-switch' to 'CEF' which
    uses a FIB.

    the problem back then was that when you had large amounts of invalidated
    flow-cache entries due to a next-hop change, typically that next-hop change was
    caused by something in the routing table - and then you had a problem because
    you wanted to use all your router CPU to recalculate the next-best paths yet
    you couldn't take advantage of any shortcut information, so you were dropping
    to a 'slow path' of forwarding.

    for a long long time now, Cisco platforms with netflow have primarily had
    netflow as an _accounting_ mechanism and generally not as the primary
    forwarding path.

    some platforms (e.g. cat6k) have retained a flow-cache that CAN be used to
    influence forwarding decisions, and that has been the basis for how things like
    NAT can be done in hardware (where per-flow state is necessary), but the
    primary forwarding mechanism even on that platform has been CEF in hardware
    since Supervisor-2 came out.

    no comment on the merits of the approach by Larry, anything i'd say would be
    through rose-coloured glasses anyway.

    cheers,

    lincoln.
    (work:)


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