From: Scott McGrath (no email)
Date: Sat Jan 19 2008 - 10:30:35 EST
No we do not however we are allocated a invariant budget to deliver
services for a fixed period of time. We cannot 'raise' prices as the
pot of funds needs to be allocated to scholarship, teaching, housing and
all the other things which make up a university we provide a service
which must be available 7x24 for a fixed amount of funds. So even
though we do not face a profit/loss calculus cost control is a key
driver for us as every dollar not spent for IT can be redirected into
scholarships for deserving students.
Our problem on the residential networking side is finding the balance
between unfettered access which is untenable and providing a service
which allocates the available pool of bits fairly among the average
customers and trying to accomodate the large users who are downloading
the latest Ubuntu ISO's without causing undue pain for either. For
instance at Columbia resnets implement the same policy I posited in my
initial response.
But I REALLY dont want to go back to the days of .25cts/minute access to
the internet if we do that the entire thing will collapse due to the
financial uncertainty and the internet will go back to being a
curiosity for Education and Government as it will be deemed 'too
expensive' by the masses.
But it just seems that the telco's just cannot give up the concept of
metered access for instance I use DSL at home which is PPPoE which means
many 'broadband' devices are unusable here sure it terminates on a PIX
but the PIX does not have a finger to press the reset button on the
'required by contract' access device sure I could directly terminate it
but since I live in a rural area I need my ISP more than the ISP needs
me hence devices which need 'always on' access are a pipe dream as my
service is 'on most of the time'.
Roderick Beck wrote:
> Universities don't face a profit calculus.
>
> And universities are also instituting rationing as well.
>
> -R.
> Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott McGrath <>
>
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:00:19
> To:"Patrick W. Gilmore" <>
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial
>
>
>
> Why does the industry as a whole keep trying to drag us back to the old
> days of Prodigy, CompuServe, AOL and really high rates per minute of
> access. I am old enough to remember BOS>c202202 <return>
>
> The 'Internet' only took off in adoption once flat rate pricing became
> the norm for access. Yes there are P2P pigs out there but a more
> common scenario is the canonical "Little Old Lady in a Pink Sweater"
> with a compromised box which is sending spam at a great rate. Should
> she pay the $500 bill when it arrives or would a more prudent and
> rational approach be like some universities do.
>
> i.e. Unthrottled pipe until you hit some daily limit like 1-2 gb and
> then your pipe drops to something like 64k until midnight or so. This
> keeps the 'pigs' in line and you might want to add a SUPER tier which
> would allow truly unlimited use of the pipe for $200-300 because for
> some people it would be worth it for them. It's human nature to
> desire a degree of predictability
> in day to day affairs and as another poster noted that's why prepaid
> phones are popular now. Further with the compromised system analogy I
> purchased a prepaid phone for my wife who is a teacher so in the event
> it was stolen at school the financial loss would be limited to the
> prepaid balance, no multi-thousand dollar bill for overseas calls. "You
> used the minutes (bandwidth) didn't you?".
>
> Ultimately there is no option but to build out the network as we have
> found on the university side of the house as digital instructional
> materials and entertainment delivery over the net will
> become the norm instead of sending bits of plastic through the mail
> (except for luddites like me ;-}).
>
> Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>
>> On Jan 18, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Michael Holstein wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The problem is the inability of the physical media in TWC's case
>>> (coax) to support multiple simultaneous users. They've held off
>>> infrastructure upgrades to the point where they really can't offer
>>> "unlimited" bandwidth. TWC also wants to collect on their "unlimited"
>>> package, but only to the 95% of the users that don't really use it,
>>> and it appears they don't see working to accommodate the other 5% as
>>> cost-effective.
>>>
>> I seriously doubt it the coax that is the problem.
>>
>> And even if that is a limitation, upgrading the last mile still will
>> not allow for "unlimited" use by a typical set of users these days.
>> Backhaul, peering, colocation, etc., are not free, plentiful, or
>> trivial to operate.
>>
>>
>>
>>> My guess is the market will work this out. As soon as it's
>>> implemented, you'll see AT&T commercials in that town slamming cable
>>> and saying how DSL is "really unlimited".
>>>
>> I do not doubt that. But do you honestly expect the at&t DSL line to
>> provide faster / more reliable access?
>>
>> Hint: Whatever your answer, it will be right or wrong for a given time
>> in the near future.
>>
>>
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