RE: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial

From: Tomas L. Byrnes (no email)
Date: Fri Jan 18 2008 - 17:39:21 EST

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    there are already companies like Vyatta that represent the nascent part
    of this space, at least on the software/equipment side.
     

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    > > The problem in the ISP industry isn't lack of usage based pricing.
    > > It's that the going rate for basic connectivity was driven
    > below that
    > > which is economically sustainable by the ILECs when they engaged in
    > > predatory pricing to drive the CLECs out of business in the
    > late 90s.
    > > Now that they own the market, they find that, having driven
    > the prices
    > > down, they can't raise them, so they are engaging in various
    > > subterfuges that are designed to cover up the basic thing they are
    > > doing:
    > > trying to charge more for the exact same service.
    >
    > Sooner or later, somebody is going to try to apply Google's
    > approach to hardware in a network backbone. Imagine a network
    > backbone with no Cisco or Juniper boxes in it, just lots of
    > commodity boxes with triple-redundancy everywhere (quintuple
    > in NFL cities).
    >
    > Vadim Antonov tried to build something like this into a
    > backbone router, but the market for IP backbone equipment is
    > so incredibly conservative, and the pricing was up there with
    > the big boys, so he never had a chance at it.
    >
    > I don't know if Google is doing something like this between
    > their data centers, but I think that the fundamental price of
    > fiber is low enough that with commodity router/switches and
    > triple the fiber miles, we can have a reliable IP packet
    > moving service without jacking prices up.
    >
    > Even if prices do go up, it will be a short term thing
    > because sooner or later, Google, or somebody who thinks as
    > bold as they do, will build a true commodity packet-moving
    > service, and the telecoms industry will fall back into the
    > razor-thin margin utility sector where it belongs.
    >
    > I'm sure many of you will think I am crazy because you know
    > just how much those high-speed ports cost and you can't see
    > any letup in bandwidth growth. But the fact is that ports are
    > not the fundamental components of routers. Chips are, and as
    > we all know, chips keep getting smaller, cheaper, faster and
    > more powerful. FPGAs, SOCs, multicore CPUs and so on. The
    > company that cracks the Internet utility problem might even
    > design and build their own devices rather than outsourcing
    > that, at a high price, to the benevolent vendors.
    >
    > --Michael Dillon
    >


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