Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?

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Date: Mon Jan 08 2007 - 05:25:54 EST

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    > But what happens when 5% of the paying subscribers use 95% of the
    existing
    > capacity, and then the other 95% of the subscribers complain about poor
    > performance?

    "Capacity" is too vague of a word here. If we assume that the P2P
    software can be made to recognize the ISP's architecture and prefer
    peers that are topologically nearby, then the issue focuses on the
    ISP's own internal capacity. It should not have a major impact on
    the ISP's upstream capacity which involves stuff that is rented
    from others (transit, peering). Also, because P2P traffic has its
    sources evenly distributed, it makes a case for cheap local
    BGP peering connections, again, to offload traffic from more
    expensive upstream transit/peering.

    > What is the real cost to the ISP needing to upgrade the
    > network to handle the additional traffic being generated by 5% of the
    > subscribers when there isn't "spare" capacity?

    In the case of DSL/Cable providers, I suspect it is mostly in
    the Ethernet switches that tie the subscriber lines into the
    network.

    > The reason why many universities buy rate-shaping devices is dorm users
    > don't restrain their application usage to only off-peak hours, which may

    > or may not be related to sleeping hours. If peer-to-peer applications
    > restrained their network usage during periods of peak network usage so
    > it didn't result in complaints from other users, it would probably
    > have a better reputation.

    I am suggesting that ISP folks should be cooperating with
    P2P software developers. Typically, the developers have a very
    vague understanding of how the network is structured and are
    essentially trying to reverse engineer network capabilities.
    It should not be too difficult to develop P2P clients that
    receive topology hints from their local ISPs. If this results
    in faster or more reliable/predictable downloads, then users
    will choose to use such a client.

    > The Internet is good for narrowcasting, but its
    > still working on mass audience events.

    Then, perhaps we should not even try to use the Internet
    for mass audience events. Is there something wrong with
    the current broadcast model? Did TV replace radio? Did
    radio replace newspapers?

    --Michael Dillon


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