From: Gian Constantine (no email)
Date: Sun Jan 07 2007 - 10:27:25 EST
You know, when it's all said and done, streaming video may be the
motivator for migrating the large scale Internet to IPv6. I do not
see unicast streaming as a long term solution for video service. In
the short term, unicast streaming and PushVoD models may prevail, but
the ultimate solution is Internet-wide multicasting.
I want my m6bone. :-)
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
On Jan 6, 2007, at 1:52 AM, Thomas Leavitt wrote:
> If this application takes off, I have to presume that everyone's
> baseline network usage metrics can be tossed out the window...
>
> Thomas
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> From: David Farber <>
> Subject: Using Venice Project? Better get yourself a non-capping
> ISP...
> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:11:46 -0500
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: "D.H. van der Woude" <>
> Date: January 5, 2007 11:06:31 AM EST
> To:
> Subject: Using Venice Project? Better get yourself a non-capping
> ISP...
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> I am one of Venice' beta testers. Works like a charm,
> admittedly with a 20/1 Mbs ADSL2+ connection and
> a unlimited use ISP.
>
> Even at sub-DVD quality the data use is staggering...
>
> Venice Project would break many users' ISP conditions
> http://www.out-law.com/page-7604
> OUT-LAW News, 03/01/2007
>
> Internet television system The Venice Project could break users'
> monthly internet bandwith limits in hours, according to the team
> behind it.
>
> It downloads 320 megabytes (MB) per hour from users' computers,
> meaning that users could reach their monthly download limits in
> hours and that it could be unusable for bandwidth-capped users.
>
> The Venice Project is the new system being developed by Janus Friis
> and Niklas Zennström, the Scandinavian entrepreneurs behind the
> revolutionary services Kazaa and Skype. It is currently being used
> by 6,000 beta testers and is due to be launched next year.
>
> The data transfer rate is revealed in the documentation sent to
> beta testers and the instructions make it very clear what the
> bandwidth requirements are so that users are not caught out.
>
> Under a banner saying 'Important notice for users with limits on
> their internet usage', the document says: "The Venice Project is a
> streaming video application, and so uses a relatively high amount
> of bandwidth per hour. One hour of viewing is 320MB downloaded and
> 105 Megabytes uploaded, which means that it will exhaust a 1
> Gigabyte cap in 10 hours. Also, the application continues to run in
> the background after you close the main window."
>
> "For this reason, if you pay for your bandwidth usage per megabyte
> or have your usage capped by your ISP, you should be careful to
> always exit the Venice Project client completely when you are
> finished watching it," says the document
>
> Many ISPs offer broadband connections which are unlimited to use by
> time, but have limits on the amount of data that can be transferred
> over the connection each month. Though limits are 'advisory' and
> not strict, users who regularly far exceed the limits break the
> terms of their deals.
>
> BT's most basic broadband package BT Total Broadband Package 1, for
> example, has a 2GB monthly 'usage guideline'. This would be reached
> after 20 hours of viewing.
>
> The software is also likely to transfer data even when not being
> used. The Venice system is going to run on a peer-to-peer (P2P)
> network, which means that users host and send the programmes to
> other users in an automated system.
>
> OUT-LAW has seen screenshots from the system and talked to one of
> the testers of it, who reports very favourably on its use. "This is
> going to be the one. I've used some of the other software out there
> and it's fine, but my dad could use this, they've just got it
> right," he said. "It looks great, you fire it up and in two minutes
> you're live, you're watching television."
>
> The source said that claims being made for the system being "near
> high definition" in terms of picture quality are wide of the mark.
> "It's not high definition. It's the same as normal television," he
> said.
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>
> -- "Private where private belongs, public where it's needed, and an
> admission that circumstances alter cases." Robert A. Heinlein, 1969
>
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