Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?

From: Alexander Harrowell (no email)
Date: Sun Jan 07 2007 - 08:59:21 EST

  • Next message: Marshall Eubanks: "Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?"

    In the mobile world, there is a lot of telco-led activity around providing
    streaming video ("TV"), which always seems to boil down to the following
    points:

    1) Just unicasting it over the radio access network is going to use a lot of
    capacity, and latency will make streaming good quality tough.

    2) Therefore, it has to be delivered in some sort of defined-QOS fashion or
    else over a dedicated, broadcast or one-way only radio link.

    3) That means either a big centralised server we own, or another big radio
    network we own.

    4)....

    5) PROFIT!!

    The unexamined assumptions are of course that:

    1) Streaming is vital.

    2) By definition, just doing it in TCP/IP must mean naive unicasting.

    3) Only telco control can provide quality.

    4) Mobile data latency is always and everywhere a radio issue.

    Critique:

    Why would you want to stream when you can download? *Because letting them
    download it means they can watch it again, share it with their friends, edit
    it perhaps?*

    Why would you want to stream in unicast when there are already models for
    effective multicast content delivery (see Michael's list)? *See point
    above!*

    In my own limited experience with UMTS IP service, it struck me that the
    biggest source of latency was the wait for DNS resolution, a highly soluble
    problem with methods known to us all. *But if it's inherent in mobility
    itself, then only our solutions can fix it...*

    On 1/7/07, <>
    wrote:
    >
    >
    > > > That might be worse for download operators, because people may
    > > > download
    > > > an hour of video, and only watch 5 minutes :/
    >
    > > So, from that standpoint, making a video file available for download
    > > is wasting order of 90% of the bandwidth used
    > > to download it.
    >
    > Considering that this is supposed to be a technically
    > oriented list, I am shocked at the level of ignorance
    > of networking technology displayed here.
    >
    > Have folks never heard of content-delivery networks,
    > Akamai, P2P, BitTorrent, EMule?
    >
    > --Michael Dillon
    >
    >


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