Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

From: Mikael Abrahamsson (no email)
Date: Tue Aug 08 2006 - 19:10:01 EDT

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    On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Rick Wesson wrote:

    > Last sunday at DEFCON I explained how one consumer ISP cost American business
    > $29M per month because of the existence of key-logging botnets.
    >
    > you want to talk economics? Its not complicated to show that mitigating
    > key-logging bots could save American business 2B or 4% of =losses to identity
    > theft -- using FTC loss estimates from 2003
    >
    > just because an ISP looses some money over transit costs does not equate to
    > the loss american business+consumers are loosing to fraud.

    I am sure that the total cost would be less if everybody cleaned up their
    act. It doesn't change the fact that the individual ISP has to spend money
    it will never see returns on, for this common good to emerge.

    If the government wants to do this, then I guess it should start demanding
    responsibility from individuals as well, otherwise I don't see this
    happening anytime soon. Microsoft has a big cash reserve, perhaps the US
    government should start demanding them clean up their act and release more
    secure products, and start fining people who don't use their products
    responsibly. Oh, and go after the companies installing spyware, in ernest?
    And to find these, they have to start wiretapping everybody to collect the
    information they need.

    Otoh this added security might add up to more losses than 2B per year in
    less functionality and more administration and procedures (overhead), so
    perhaps those 2B is the price we pay for freedom and liberty in this
    space?

    Always hard to find the balance.

    -- 
    Mikael Abrahamsson    email: 
    

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