Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

From: Sean Donelan (no email)
Date: Sat Aug 05 2006 - 17:17:27 EDT

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    On Sat, 5 Aug 2006, Danny McPherson wrote:
    > Right, hence my point. By and large, SPs don't have the time or
    > resources to police the greater Internet, and therefore, they respond
    > in a very reactive fashion when some malicious activity *that* warrants
    > action dictates. Taking out known botnet C&C infrastructure is more
    > proactive and at least from my perspective, continues to yield a
    > discernible impact.

    Even assuming SPs had the time and the resources, its not always clear
    what actions should be considered acceptable for SPs to do. If resources
    were the only issue, making this another "War on X" and throwing lots of
    money at the problem would be the answer. But that's not the right
    answer.

    People/customers seem to get just as upset with "proactive" SPs as they do
    with "unactive" SPs. Even if it was possible to run the Internet like the
    most secure closed corporate network, is that what people actually want?
    I know lots of vendors that would be more than happy to sell SPs lots and
    lots of security stuff to achieve that ;-)

    Hopefully, by their nature SPs will always be a bit reactive. Unless
    I want them to, I don't want SPs messing with my traffic. Its my right
    to connect anything I want, send anything I want, do anything I want with
    my Internet connection. On the other hand, when I do complain I want the
    SP to instantly be able to stop anything I don't want, even when I don't
    know what it is, and be able to track every bad thing that every happened
    even before I knew it was bad but not keep records of what anyone has
    done. And of course, I don't think I should pay extra for it.

    Railroads have the railroad police. The Post Office has postal
    inspectors. Do we want to give ISP security the power to arrest
    people? There are probably some security officers at SPs that
    would love to bust some doors down and slap handcuffs on a few
    people.


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