Re: Multi ISP DDOS

From: william(at)elan.net ("william)
Date: Fri May 05 2006 - 10:55:59 EDT

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    On Thu, 4 May 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote:

    >> I hate to be the bearer of bad news to spammers :) but based on
    >> bluesecurity's tactics I can make a guess about attitude of their
    >> people and its such that DoS attack on them will only cause them
    >> more determination to continue and I suspect to majority of their users as
    >> well (and publicity is also likely to bring them more users).
    >>
    >> Moving the site to TypePad was incorrect way of dealing with attack
    >> though; but its actually not the first time I've heard of the site
    >> using a blog as temporary page while their primary site is down due
    >> to DoS... - some education on what blogs are good for is in order.
    >> But as it is looks like bluesecurity is moving to prolexic which
    >> claim to deal with just such situations.
    >
    > I hate to be the bearer of bad news to BS' VC's, but BS moving their
    > DNS to UltraDNS and hosting to Prolexic was likely not part of the business
    > plan. "They ain't cheap". The spammers can now theoretically force them
    > to spend all time and all their money responding to attacks.

    You know quite well that if they continue dos for too long law-enforcement
    would finally get interested... Now I really don't know UDNS and Prolexic
    prices but I have a feeling those hosting fees would be far from being
    their biggest expense. So I have to disagree with you that is what could
    bring them down, though I agree that as usual a lot depends on if their
    VCs want all this going - I just don't think hosting fees will be major
    reason for such a decision (unless BS self-funded which I doubt).

    > The killer here is that they asked a lot of people a year ago whether
    > this was a good idea and everyone said no.

    Yep and they were all right.

    > Spammers: 2 Blue Security: 0
    > NANOG: -2 (vigilante time sink)

    Its more like:
    Spammers: -2 Blue Security: -1 Nanog: 0 (talk is cheap but results are...)

    -- 
    William Leibzon
    Elan Networks
    

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