Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

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Date: Fri May 05 2006 - 09:22:14 EDT

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    > > On 5/4/06, <bmanning at vacation dot
    > karoshi.com> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > why would anyone do that?

    > Hopefully this comes out clearly, as writing can be more confusing
    > than speaking...

    > My point is it is hard to do anything beyond the first AS# for any SLA
    > that you would be paying, since after that the packet switches to no
    > money packets on a paid connection, pushing out the issue for things
    > sent down that pipe...

    Are you saying that there *IS* a good reason why
    anyone would buy paid transit from all SFP providers?
    And that the reason is so that you have a contractual
    SLA with all of those providers?

    If so then two questions come to mind. Couldn't you
    achieve the same thing by having paid peering with
    the SFP providers? Assuming that you do have contractual
    service with all of the SFP providers and that there
    is an SLA in all of those contracts, how do you deal
    with the fact that there is no SLA (to you) on packets
    which leave the set of SFP networks? Packets could leave
    by going to a transit customer of an SFP network or
    by going to a non-SFP peer of an SFP network.

    Quite frankly, while terminology like "transit",
    "settlement free peering" and "paid peering" are useful
    to analyze and talk about network topography, I don't think
    they are useful by themselves when making purchase decisions.
    They need to be backed up with some hard technical data
    about the network in question as well as the contractual
    terms (transit or peering) in place.

    It is not possible to say that a given network architecture
    is BETTER if you only know the transit/peering arrangements
    between that network and some subset of the other network
    operators. SFP operators will always be a subset of the entire
    public Internet. Membership in that set changes from time to
    time for various reasons. And the importance of non-members
    also varies from time to time, especially content-provider
    networks.

    --Michael Dillon

    P.S. I purposely did not use the term "tier" because I
    do not believe that current usage of this term refers to
    network architecture. It has more to do with market dominance
    than anything else and even there it is relative because
    there is no longer a single Internet access market.


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