From: (no name) (no email)
Date: Sun Mar 05 2006 - 22:54:03 EST
oh yeah... IPX - that works a treat. (who was it that said "Its Deja Vu
all over again")
--bill
> [ It's been pointed out that, due to various historical reasons, IPv8
> might not be the best choice of version-number to use in this
> context. So, IPv10 can serve for purposes of discussion, in its
> stead. ]
>
> On Mar 5, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Roland Dobbins wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >On Mar 5, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >
> >>Far from it, but, there are lessons to be
> >>learned that are applicable to the internet, and, separating the
> >>end system identifier from the routing function is one we still seem
> >>determined to avoid for reasons passing my understanding.
> >
> >And this is the real answer, of course.
> >
> >There were two fundamental design decisions made back in the Olden
> >Days which continue to exert a strong and in many cases quite
> >negative sway over this entire set of inter-related issues:
> >
> >1. Utilizing the endpoint identifier in the routing function, as
> > Vince Fuller and you (among others) have stated, and
> >
> >2. The ships-in-the-night nature of the TCP/IP protocol stack.
> > This latter design decision is a big part of the reason TCP/IP
> > has been so successful to date; however, we find more and
> > more kludgey, brittle hacks to try and provide some sort
> > of linkages for purposes of enforcing policy, etc. The
> > irony is that these attempts largely stem from the unforeseen
> > side-effects of #1, and also contribute to a reinforcing
> > feedback loop which further locks us into #1.
> >
> >Given the manifold difficulties we're facing today as a result of
> >these two design decisions (#2 is a 'hidden' reason behind untold
> >amounts of capex and opex being spent in frustratingly
> >nonproductive ways), perhaps it is time to consider declaring the
> >'Limited-Deployment IPv6 Proof-of-Concept Experiment' to be a
> >success, take the lessons learned (there are a lot more unresolved
> >and potentially problematic issues than those mentioned in this
> >thread) into account and get started on IPv8.
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Roland Dobbins <> // 408.527.6376 voice
> >
> > Everything has been said. But nobody listens.
> >
> > -- Roger Shattuck
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Roland Dobbins <> // 408.527.6376 voice
>
> Everything has been said. But nobody listens.
>
> -- Roger Shattuck
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