Re: shim6 @ NANOG

From: Roland Dobbins (no email)
Date: Sat Mar 04 2006 - 23:48:58 EST

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    On Mar 4, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Joe Abley wrote:

    > No support in big networks is required, beyond the presence of
    > shim6 in server stacks.

    Why do you say this? Enterprises who multihome need their client
    machines (tens and hundreds of thousands of them) to be able to take
    advantage of multihoming, as well. It's a requirement, not a luxury.

    [Note that I do not address the blurring of client and server roles
    which is happening even now, and which will almost certainly become
    more prevalent over the anticipated lifetime of the success protocol
    to IPv4.]

    This fundamental misconception of the requirements of large
    enterprise customers should be an indicator to proponents of shim6,
    among others, that they do not have a good grasp of the day-to-day
    operational and business realities faced by large enterprises. This
    lack of understanding has led to such fundamental misconceptions as a
    belief that large enterprises can accept frequent renumbering within
    their organizations based upon changing business relationships with
    their SPs (they cannot, see RFC 4192 for some of the reasons why
    not), as well as underestimating the importance of multihoming for
    client computers as well as servers.

    shim6 is simply not viable for large enterprises, who are the
    customers who require multihoming. I would argue that it's not
    really viable for smaller organizations either, due to the complexity
    it adds to the troubleshooting matrix for support staff. I hope that
    the operational community will turn to more fruitful lines of enquiry
    regarding IPv6 multihoming.

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