Re: shim6 @ NANOG

From: Iljitsch van Beijnum (no email)
Date: Sat Mar 04 2006 - 03:21:10 EST

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    On 4-mrt-2006, at 3:05, Stephen Sprunk wrote:

    >> The alternative, of course, is to wait for IDR to implode and let the
    >> finger-pointing begin.

    > ... which is what I expect to happen. A few folks will see it
    > coming, design a fix, and everyone will deploy it overnight when
    > they discover they have no other choice. Isn't that about what
    > happened with CIDR, in a nutshell?

    We got lucky with CIDR because even though all default free routers
    had to be upgraded in a short time, it really wasn't that painful.
    Ok, I wasn't there, but what I mean is that the problem was solved by
    aggregating already deployed address space, which isn't going to fly
    if excessive PI makes IDR implode in the future.

    I've been in multi6, two multi6 design teams and shim6 for nearly
    five years, and I've seen many of the smartest people in the IETF
    community join in. I can tell you this: the only scalable solutions
    on the horizon are:

    - moving multihoming related state out of the DFZ (this is what shim6
    does)
    - remove the requirement that every DFZ router carries every prefix,
    which can't be done as long as PI blocks sit at the top of the
    addressing hierarchy

    There are many aspects to current IDR that can stand to be
    improvemed, but at the end of the day that doesn't shrink your FIB by
    orders of magnitude.

    The closest thing to a magic, pain-free solution would be to allocate
    PI blocks such that it's possible to aggregate them together and
    ignore the more specifics for far away regions of the world, so that
    in 2030 you don't have to carry 60000 Chinese PI blocks world wide
    that all sit behind the same Great Firewall anyway, but no, that
    doesn't make sense because how can I multihome to ISPs in Shainghai
    and Toronto then, this will never work.


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