Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

From: Kevin Day (no email)
Date: Thu Mar 02 2006 - 09:29:01 EST

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    On Mar 2, 2006, at 7:49 AM, wrote:

    >
    > Clearly, it would be extremely unwise for an ISP or
    > an enterprise to rely on shim6 for multihoming. Fortunately
    > they won't have to do this because the BGP multihoming
    > option will be available.

    Are you *sure* BGP multihoming will be available? This is my
    interpretation of the IPv6 /32 allocation policy:

    To receive an allocation of a /32, you must:

    "A) Be an LIR". I think you can consider a hosting company an LIR.

    "B) Not be an end site". A little less cut and dry, but I'll accept
    that a hosting company doesn't fit the definition of an end site.

    "C) plan to provide IPv6 connectivity to organizations to which it
    will assign /48s, by advertising that connectivity through its single
    aggregated address allocation". This is the one where I don't think a
    hosting company fits.

    If all of your hosting is "shared", the servers are your
    responsibility, and you're not providing connectivity to anyone but
    yourself. I don't think you qualify at all at this point.

    If you're selling dedicated servers or colo space, it's a little
    better, but I still don't think you fit. The average dedicated
    hosting/colo company now runs many customers servers sharing one
    subnet. Each customer gets /32's assigned per server, unless you're a
    huge colo customer, you're not getting space SWIPed to you.

    When deciding who gets space out of your /32:

    > Assignments are to be made in accordance with the existing
    > guidelines (RFC3177,RIRs-on-48), which are summarized here as:
    >
    > - /48 in the general case, except for very large subscribers
    >
    > - /64 when it is known that one and only one subnet is needed by
    > design
    >
    > - /128 when it is absolutely known that one and only one device is
    > connecting.

    One customer on one dedicated server gets a /128. Even if you stretch
    plausibility, they only get a /64. I don't see any way you can
    justify giving colo customers /48s, unless they're deploying huge
    networks in your datacenter.

    The final rule for getting a /32 is:

    "D) be an existing, known ISP in the ARIN region or have a plan for
    making at least 200 /48 assignments to other organizations within
    five years."

    Unless you're providing transit/connectivity to 200 companies/
    networks, I can't see how you justify assigning even ONE /48, let
    alone 200.

    The other PI assignment policies that have been proposed either
    require that you have a /19 already in IPv4 (lots of hosting
    companies don't have anything this size), or have tens/hundreds of
    thousands of devices.

    Even if a hosting company does get a /32 or a /44 or whatever, the
    "you can't deaggregate your assignment at all" policy rules out
    having multiple independent POPs unless you somehow arrange to get
    multiple allocations(which isn't possible now).


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