Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

From: David Barak (no email)
Date: Thu Mar 02 2006 - 07:56:44 EST

  • Next message: Edward B. DREGER: "Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)"

    --- wrote:

    > > Resounding YES - I specifically DON'T want
    > end-hosts
    > > to be able to make these decisions, but need to be
    > > able to multihome.
    >
    > When I see comments like this I wonder whether
    > people
    > understand what shim6 is all about. First of all,
    > these
    > aren't YOUR hosts. They belong to somebody else. If
    > you
    > are an access provider then these hosts belong to a
    > customer
    > that is paying you to carry packets. This customer
    > also
    > pays another ISP for the same service and the hosts
    > are making decisions about whether to use your
    > service
    > or your competitors.
    >
    > If you are a hosting provider, then these hosts,
    > owned
    > by a third party, are making decisions about whether
    > to
    > send you packets through one or another AS.
    >
    > Is there something inherently wrong with independent
    > organizations deciding where to send their packets?

    That's not the case I'm discussing - I'm talking about
    the multihomed enterprise. From an access provider
    point of view, Shim6 is no worse/better than the
    various TE-fu devices which end customers use - it
    makes predicting load a bit more difficult, but it's
    just bits to be passed. From an enterprise POV I want
    two or three decision points which I need to monitor
    and manage, not 10,000.

    > P.S. I don't believe that shim6 will ever succeed.

    Neither do I.

    David Barak
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