Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

From: Kevin Loch (no email)
Date: Wed Mar 01 2006 - 14:49:15 EST

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    Kevin Day wrote:
    > If you include "Web hosting company" in your definition of ISP, that's
    > not true. Unless you're providing connectivity to 200 or more networks,
    > you can't get a /32. If all of your use is internal(fully managed
    > hosting) or aren't selling leased lines or anything, you are not
    > considered an LIR by the current IPv6 policies.

    Leased lines are not required. You can assign a /48 to any
    separate organization you provide connectivity to even if they are
    colocated. A business model where you don't assign /48's to any
    customers does seem to preclude being an LIR. Web hosting companies
    that do assign /48's to some customers would qualify.

    > Even the proposed ARIN 2006-4 assignment policy for "end sites" doesn't
    > help a lot of small to mid sized hosting companies. For that, to just
    > get a /48, you need to already have a /19 or larger, and be using 80%
    > of that. That's 6553 IPs being utilized. If you're running a managed
    > hosting company (name based vhosts) and deploying 1 IP per web server,
    > you're pretty huge before you've hit 6553 devices. Even assuming 20% of
    > that is wasted, you're still talking about more than 5000 servers. 40
    > 1U servers per rack, you need to have 125 racks of packed to the gills
    > servers before you'd qualify for PI space. That excludes every
    > definition I have of "small-to-medium" in the hosting arena.

    The latest revision of 2005-1 is also on the table. It would allow
    for a /48 assignment for any organization that qualifies for IPv4 space,
    (even /22). Name based virtual hosting is not required either.

    > You don't get PI space, and Shim6 is looking like your only alternative
    > for multihoming.

    We are only limited by our own imaginations and and by what actually
    works. This is a hard problem to solve and the solution doesn't have
    to come from the IETF.

    - Kevihn


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