Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober)

From: Robert Bonomi (no email)
Date: Mon Dec 05 2005 - 00:12:15 EST

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    > From Sun Dec 4 22:34:54 2005
    > Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 04:30:26 +0000 (GMT)
    > From: "Christopher L. Morrow" <>
    > Subject: Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober)
    > To: "Steven M. Bellovin" <>
    > Cc: "Church, Chuck" <>,
    >
    >
    > On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
    >
    > > In message <>, "Chur
    > > ch, Chuck" writes:
    > > >
    > > >What about all the viruses out there that don't forge addresses?
    > > >Sending a warning message makes sense for these. Unless someone has
    > >
    > > A-V companies are in the business of analyzing viruses. They should
    > > *know* how a particular virus behaves.
    >
    > This has also been said before, but... they are also in the business of
    > SELLING their product. It seems that the 'default' (note I don't either:
    > use av, nor scan emails for virii so I'm not sure what defaults to what...
    > just use something other than outlook and you can care less about it) is
    > possibly there for advertising effect more than anything else :(
    >
    > Hey, bob's company stopped this virus with $PRODUCT_12, why aren't we
    > using that product $VP_O_IT ??

    "Because they 'very thoughtfully' fowarded the entire message, INCLUDING
     THE VIRUS ITSELF, to us. _Even_though_ the original message did not
     originate here.

    "Do you _really_ think we should start forwarding viruses to our customers,
     'just because' their address was forged into a message sent us? Just how
     do you think our customers would respond to _that_?"

    There _is_ an art-form to backing management into an untennable corner, when
    they are bound and determined to do something 'wrong'. It's simply a matter
    of finding the "right" consequences of the action, to illustrate _why_ the
    proposed thing is 'wrong'. 'Revenues', and 'customer satisfaction' are
    almost _universal_ "hot buttons" that can frequently be used to advantage.


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