Re: If you have nothing to hide

From: Steven M. Bellovin (no email)
Date: Wed Aug 07 2002 - 14:28:58 EDT


In message <>, bdragon at gweep dot n
et writes:
>
>>
>>
>> "You know, there's quite a difference between source routing and
>> IP spoofing .."
>>
>>
>>
>> As true as this statement is, the two walk hand in hand (especially during
>> certain attacks).
>>
>> If I send an attack from a spoofed address to a victim, I can turn blue in
>> the face waiting for a response that will never come.
>> If I spoof an address and use loose source routing I can force the response
>> to return right through my network.
>
>I was not aware that responses to source-routed packets were themselves
>source-routed. I also don't believe it is the case, but am open to being
>contradicted. If the responses aren't source-routed, then the packets would
>only return through your network if your network was the path back to the
>spoofed source.

See section 3.2.1.8c of RFC 1122:

                 If host receives a datagram containing a completed
                 source route (i.e., the pointer points beyond the last
                 field), the datagram has reached its final destination;
                 the option as received (the recorded route) MUST be
                 passed up to the transport layer (or to ICMP message
                 processing). This recorded route will be reversed and
                 used to form a return source route for reply datagrams
                 (see discussion of IP Options in Section 4). When a
                 return source route is built, it MUST be correctly
                 formed even if the recorded route included the source
                 host (see case (B) in the discussion below).

                --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb (me)
                http://www.wilyhacker.com ("Firewalls" book)








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